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sihayadesigns03/06 -- Note:: This questionnaire is just a little out of date. There hasn't been a big shift in beliefs since it was written, but there has been a shift in semantics. The term I use most often nowadays is simply 'Pagan.' 'Neo-Pagan' works, too.
I've had a lot of questions regarding my spirituality lately, most copied here verbatim, and so I figured instead of answering the same questions multiple times, I'd answer them here.
Big Honking Disclaimer:: The ideas herein are solely my own and only pertain to my views and how I practice. Wiccans and Pagans are so diverse that no one FAQ could ever hope to ever cover even half of us. There's a saying --" ask three Pagans the same question and you'll get five answers." It's so true.
1. What lures you to Wicca? How did you get involved in it and what personal meaning do you find in it?
I guess you'd call me an eclectic Wiccan, but I've never done any formal work with any other groups, so definitions may vary. I was raised Southern Baptist, and while I never doubted that there was a god, I never really believed that a fire-and-brimstone god was right for me. But boy, did I try. I went to Christian camp. I prayed to god every single night to make himself real to me. I never heard or felt anything in return. But I would see the ways that my Christian friends interacted with god, how the light shone through them, and I wanted it. I wanted it badly.
I read about lots of religions when I was about thirteen-- just about every book on Eastern religion and philosophy from the public library that I could get my hands on, plus tons of books on mythology. And when I was fourteen, they started getting a few books on Wicca and Paganism, and it just struck the right chord. Man, the real thought that god could also be goddess really threw me through a loop. But it was that feminine Divine that really started to respond to those prayers, to resonate inside, and so I kept reading (it did take me awhile to adapt to a more loving male Deity, and the light/dark polarities of Nature, though. I was a tad lopsided at first). I love the imagery the most-- the nature symbolism, the sensual imagery, the wheel of the year, the vivid pictures of the various pantheons that can be adapted or studied. I enjoy the balance of traditionally masculine and feminine energies, and the opportunities to blur those boundaries and become a well-balanced individual.
I started out reading 'Wicca 101' type books-- Scott Cunningham and Yasmine Galenorn and Starhawk and Phyllis Curott (thank god my library didn't get in SRW first!). And eventually, about three years ago, I decided to move forward and actually start practicing my new beliefs. And here I am, much more widely read, but I have a long way to go. Some of those books still have a place on my bookshelf. Some I have practical/ethical differences with, and have since moved beyond. My advice to newcomers: read everything. Read the Margot Adler and the Janet & Stewart Farrar, the Ronald Hutton... but also read the Silver Ravenwolf and the Fiona Horne. It's only by reading the utter extremes that you'll be able to better gauge the validity of books you're going to pick up. You need to read the obvious crapola with the erroneous history and lopsided, contradictory philosophy so you can better pick out the better-cloaked crapola. :)
I'm a subscriber to the view that every god/goddess that ever was is just another facet of Divinity because Divinity exists, and all the different panthenons and stories are just man's way of trying to connect to the Divine. We make up stories to access different facets if the Divine, to focus our energy on a specific facet that we relate to. So while I take no myth literally, they're all wonderful and fascinating learning tools. However, I have been reading Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone's Progressive Witchcraft, which states that each Diety is independent and self-actualized. It's really quite fascinating, and I find myself nodding my head a lot, so who knows when I might revise my overall concept of Diety-dom. Honestly, I don't think the Divine *cares* how I see them, but it is of interest to me.
2. Is there any part of Wicca you find disagreeable or difficult?
I have issues with "harm none," because quite often it leads to claims of "you can only do positive things!" There's a saying that a witch who cannot hex can neither heal. I think it's true-- you can't only look at one side of the coin and call yourself proficient or even balanced. I don't advocate causing others harm for no reason, or even seeking to influence free will, but there are times when "fluffy bunny light and crystals!" magic will not work because there's nothing else to anchor it. Also, the rule of three is outdated and based on patriarchical concepts of sin and punishment. I do believe that you will eventually get back the energy you put out, but the rule of three is too often used as a scare tactic. A person should want to be ethical (by their own standards) to better themselves, not because otherwise they fear punishment.
And oh yeah, some of the practitioners of my faith I find highly disagreeable-- paranoid and otherwise off in lalaland. But then again, for a religion that has recently taken on a face of blanket-acceptance, you will always attract loonies.
3. Do you find yourself misjudged or mistreated for your faith?
Well, it depends. Sometimes. But that's just lack of information, and I've never experienced outright hostility. Many Christians misjudge me at first, but that's because most of them have been taught that Wicca is Satanism and all that crap-- I've been asked about my religion by many Christians, and once I started talking about what Wicca *actually* is, they're actually more interested than anything else. So maybe on the surface, people misjudge, but those who actually ask have always been sincere and polite.
On the opposite end, I've known a select few Wiccans & Pagans who are active Christian-haters because they lump all Christians into the "bigoted oppressors" category that really only the fundies fall into. It's really quite scary that people who expect such unconditional acceptance would not recognize this hypocracy. But still, they're in a minority, and I think fundies of *any religion* are terrifying and mislead.
Mostly it's my roommates, though... *shakes head sadly* "Witch! Shouldn't you be eating babies or something?!?" To which I reply: "Jew! Shouldn't you be killing Christ or something?!?" My apartment would be so offensive to people who don't actually know us.
4. How much of the spellcasting do you believe in/participate in? Is it central to the faith?
Spellcasting is not central to the faith. In fact, Wicca is evolving so that one can be Wiccan and not actually practice witchcraft-- that is, some will only adhere to the spiritual beliefs. And that's okay. Not all witches are Wiccan or Pagan. Not all Pagans and Wiccans are witches.
That said, I do practice spellcasting, but generally of the kitchen-witch variety. I do prosperity pancakes. I try to learn herbs and use them in meals served for a particular purpose. I love candle spells because they're simple, and very easily adapted. Very rarely do I do bigger things. There's a larger, more complicated working that I "renew" every year, but other than that, I only tend to work spells when I need to augment a process that I've begun through more mundane processes. I think of them as a spiritual aid and the magical component of a change I am trying to initiate.
Also? As a personal nitpick, please slap every single person who uses the terms "white magic" and "black magic." Tell them that I said for you to smack them. Those terms are so absolutely racist that they make me want to wretch.
Also x 2? It is spelled magic. Not "majik" or "magique" or "majjikque"... Yes. I could go on.
5. Is it possible to practice Wicca alone or is it necessary to have multiple participants?
I'm currently a solitary eclectic Wiccan, book-taught. Necessity chose this path for me, essentially. I have not had much chance to work with different groups and different paths due to lack of transportation, and so I've basically read everything I could get my hands on for the past four years. I don't have any draw to any one particular cultural-variant of Paganism (Celtic reconstructionist/Druid/Norse Paganism etc.), and so I'm still looking and reading and practicing as my fancy is struck. Other people are much more group-oriented, and if a group crosses my path that I might want to work with, I probably will. The way one practices is completely up to each participant's natural inclinations and the resources available to him or her. Nothing is "necessary" but a will to practice.
I would like to note that especially in Alexandrian and Gardnerian covens, there is the idea that Wicca can only be practiced in its true form by covens with the correct hierarchy, because it's an initiatory tradition and therefore all adherents are priesthood. They believe that anyone else should call themselves "Neo-Wiccans."
I think it's a load of shit, because Wicca is evolving far beyond what its creators ever envisioned it to be.
My ideas: If you're Wiccan, you just are. Nevermind the people who say you have to be in a coven or whatnot or call yourself something else. This is about practicing your belief system, not semantics. If you keep the sabbats, honor the Goddess and God, and generally follow all of the practices of Wicca, you're Wiccan.
Let me put this another way. Someone who believes that Jesus is their savior is Christian wether or not they go to church or study and worship at home. If two people both believe that Christ is their savior, but their practice of worship is different-- well, they may be different denominations, but the one who's less traditional isn't a "Neo-Christian."
And as far as the priesthood bit: The decision to join clergy is something else entirely, imho. Even within covens, not everyone is suited to be or even wants to be part of a priesthood. There are many specializations within the Pagan/Wiccan arena, only one of which is Priest/Priestess. So to say the nature of Wicca has to do with training all initiates into an eventual clergy would be false to me.
The only bit of this semantic jumble I agree with is the use of the word "initiation." An initiation is bestowed upon one by another. As a solitary, I did a "dedication." However, in my sight, there is not a whole lot of difference between one who has just been initiated and one who has just been dedicated. Both are practicing their belief, and both have teachers, wether they be humans, books, or even intuitional guidance by the Gods themselves.
Got more questions? Ask away, and I'll keep answering.
I've had a lot of questions regarding my spirituality lately, most copied here verbatim, and so I figured instead of answering the same questions multiple times, I'd answer them here.
Willow: Talk. All talk. 'Blah, blah, Gaia. Blah, blah, moon. Menstrual life-force power thingy.'
Buffy: No actual witches in your witch group?
Willow: No. Bunch of wanna blessed be's. Nowadays every girl with a henna tattoo and a spice rack thinks she's a sister to the dark ones.
-- Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Big Honking Disclaimer:: The ideas herein are solely my own and only pertain to my views and how I practice. Wiccans and Pagans are so diverse that no one FAQ could ever hope to ever cover even half of us. There's a saying --" ask three Pagans the same question and you'll get five answers." It's so true.
1. What lures you to Wicca? How did you get involved in it and what personal meaning do you find in it?
I guess you'd call me an eclectic Wiccan, but I've never done any formal work with any other groups, so definitions may vary. I was raised Southern Baptist, and while I never doubted that there was a god, I never really believed that a fire-and-brimstone god was right for me. But boy, did I try. I went to Christian camp. I prayed to god every single night to make himself real to me. I never heard or felt anything in return. But I would see the ways that my Christian friends interacted with god, how the light shone through them, and I wanted it. I wanted it badly.
I read about lots of religions when I was about thirteen-- just about every book on Eastern religion and philosophy from the public library that I could get my hands on, plus tons of books on mythology. And when I was fourteen, they started getting a few books on Wicca and Paganism, and it just struck the right chord. Man, the real thought that god could also be goddess really threw me through a loop. But it was that feminine Divine that really started to respond to those prayers, to resonate inside, and so I kept reading (it did take me awhile to adapt to a more loving male Deity, and the light/dark polarities of Nature, though. I was a tad lopsided at first). I love the imagery the most-- the nature symbolism, the sensual imagery, the wheel of the year, the vivid pictures of the various pantheons that can be adapted or studied. I enjoy the balance of traditionally masculine and feminine energies, and the opportunities to blur those boundaries and become a well-balanced individual.
I started out reading 'Wicca 101' type books-- Scott Cunningham and Yasmine Galenorn and Starhawk and Phyllis Curott (thank god my library didn't get in SRW first!). And eventually, about three years ago, I decided to move forward and actually start practicing my new beliefs. And here I am, much more widely read, but I have a long way to go. Some of those books still have a place on my bookshelf. Some I have practical/ethical differences with, and have since moved beyond. My advice to newcomers: read everything. Read the Margot Adler and the Janet & Stewart Farrar, the Ronald Hutton... but also read the Silver Ravenwolf and the Fiona Horne. It's only by reading the utter extremes that you'll be able to better gauge the validity of books you're going to pick up. You need to read the obvious crapola with the erroneous history and lopsided, contradictory philosophy so you can better pick out the better-cloaked crapola. :)
I'm a subscriber to the view that every god/goddess that ever was is just another facet of Divinity because Divinity exists, and all the different panthenons and stories are just man's way of trying to connect to the Divine. We make up stories to access different facets if the Divine, to focus our energy on a specific facet that we relate to. So while I take no myth literally, they're all wonderful and fascinating learning tools. However, I have been reading Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone's Progressive Witchcraft, which states that each Diety is independent and self-actualized. It's really quite fascinating, and I find myself nodding my head a lot, so who knows when I might revise my overall concept of Diety-dom. Honestly, I don't think the Divine *cares* how I see them, but it is of interest to me.
2. Is there any part of Wicca you find disagreeable or difficult?
I have issues with "harm none," because quite often it leads to claims of "you can only do positive things!" There's a saying that a witch who cannot hex can neither heal. I think it's true-- you can't only look at one side of the coin and call yourself proficient or even balanced. I don't advocate causing others harm for no reason, or even seeking to influence free will, but there are times when "fluffy bunny light and crystals!" magic will not work because there's nothing else to anchor it. Also, the rule of three is outdated and based on patriarchical concepts of sin and punishment. I do believe that you will eventually get back the energy you put out, but the rule of three is too often used as a scare tactic. A person should want to be ethical (by their own standards) to better themselves, not because otherwise they fear punishment.
And oh yeah, some of the practitioners of my faith I find highly disagreeable-- paranoid and otherwise off in lalaland. But then again, for a religion that has recently taken on a face of blanket-acceptance, you will always attract loonies.
3. Do you find yourself misjudged or mistreated for your faith?
Well, it depends. Sometimes. But that's just lack of information, and I've never experienced outright hostility. Many Christians misjudge me at first, but that's because most of them have been taught that Wicca is Satanism and all that crap-- I've been asked about my religion by many Christians, and once I started talking about what Wicca *actually* is, they're actually more interested than anything else. So maybe on the surface, people misjudge, but those who actually ask have always been sincere and polite.
On the opposite end, I've known a select few Wiccans & Pagans who are active Christian-haters because they lump all Christians into the "bigoted oppressors" category that really only the fundies fall into. It's really quite scary that people who expect such unconditional acceptance would not recognize this hypocracy. But still, they're in a minority, and I think fundies of *any religion* are terrifying and mislead.
Mostly it's my roommates, though... *shakes head sadly* "Witch! Shouldn't you be eating babies or something?!?" To which I reply: "Jew! Shouldn't you be killing Christ or something?!?" My apartment would be so offensive to people who don't actually know us.
4. How much of the spellcasting do you believe in/participate in? Is it central to the faith?
Spellcasting is not central to the faith. In fact, Wicca is evolving so that one can be Wiccan and not actually practice witchcraft-- that is, some will only adhere to the spiritual beliefs. And that's okay. Not all witches are Wiccan or Pagan. Not all Pagans and Wiccans are witches.
That said, I do practice spellcasting, but generally of the kitchen-witch variety. I do prosperity pancakes. I try to learn herbs and use them in meals served for a particular purpose. I love candle spells because they're simple, and very easily adapted. Very rarely do I do bigger things. There's a larger, more complicated working that I "renew" every year, but other than that, I only tend to work spells when I need to augment a process that I've begun through more mundane processes. I think of them as a spiritual aid and the magical component of a change I am trying to initiate.
Also? As a personal nitpick, please slap every single person who uses the terms "white magic" and "black magic." Tell them that I said for you to smack them. Those terms are so absolutely racist that they make me want to wretch.
Also x 2? It is spelled magic. Not "majik" or "magique" or "majjikque"... Yes. I could go on.
5. Is it possible to practice Wicca alone or is it necessary to have multiple participants?
I'm currently a solitary eclectic Wiccan, book-taught. Necessity chose this path for me, essentially. I have not had much chance to work with different groups and different paths due to lack of transportation, and so I've basically read everything I could get my hands on for the past four years. I don't have any draw to any one particular cultural-variant of Paganism (Celtic reconstructionist/Druid/Norse Paganism etc.), and so I'm still looking and reading and practicing as my fancy is struck. Other people are much more group-oriented, and if a group crosses my path that I might want to work with, I probably will. The way one practices is completely up to each participant's natural inclinations and the resources available to him or her. Nothing is "necessary" but a will to practice.
I would like to note that especially in Alexandrian and Gardnerian covens, there is the idea that Wicca can only be practiced in its true form by covens with the correct hierarchy, because it's an initiatory tradition and therefore all adherents are priesthood. They believe that anyone else should call themselves "Neo-Wiccans."
I think it's a load of shit, because Wicca is evolving far beyond what its creators ever envisioned it to be.
My ideas: If you're Wiccan, you just are. Nevermind the people who say you have to be in a coven or whatnot or call yourself something else. This is about practicing your belief system, not semantics. If you keep the sabbats, honor the Goddess and God, and generally follow all of the practices of Wicca, you're Wiccan.
Let me put this another way. Someone who believes that Jesus is their savior is Christian wether or not they go to church or study and worship at home. If two people both believe that Christ is their savior, but their practice of worship is different-- well, they may be different denominations, but the one who's less traditional isn't a "Neo-Christian."
And as far as the priesthood bit: The decision to join clergy is something else entirely, imho. Even within covens, not everyone is suited to be or even wants to be part of a priesthood. There are many specializations within the Pagan/Wiccan arena, only one of which is Priest/Priestess. So to say the nature of Wicca has to do with training all initiates into an eventual clergy would be false to me.
The only bit of this semantic jumble I agree with is the use of the word "initiation." An initiation is bestowed upon one by another. As a solitary, I did a "dedication." However, in my sight, there is not a whole lot of difference between one who has just been initiated and one who has just been dedicated. Both are practicing their belief, and both have teachers, wether they be humans, books, or even intuitional guidance by the Gods themselves.
Got more questions? Ask away, and I'll keep answering.
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Date: 2004-11-12 06:08 pm (UTC)I also agree astoundingly with something you've said: read everything. I hate SRW, like Fiona Horne, and will still read either because you can always get something out of a book, even if it's just a point of view.
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Date: 2004-11-12 06:19 pm (UTC)but thanks...:D You should put this entry in your favorites maybe, for future inquisitors... :)
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Date: 2004-11-12 07:51 pm (UTC)I ran into the Femwicca misspellers (in more ways than one) wom(MY)en sorts when I got back from Europe. Feh. Let 'em have their fun. I'll have my belly laugh, in the best Heinleinan tradition.
I am fully trained and initiated: tub-dunked, herb-addled, Great Rited, fire-jumped, nettle whipped and all that stuff, and by all rights ought to use the title "Lady" and have a bunch of fawning sycophants hanging on every jewel of wisdom that drips from my lips. But I hate syncophants, and all the Playgans have purloined the silly titles anyway. So, I huddle before my computer out here in heart of darkness, pet my cats, and laugh at the WannaWitchies. I might honor my teachers' wishes and start some sort of study group or wierd cult (Big Billy Bass, anyone? Possessed?) but not just yet.
Life is good.
Sunfell
Head Curmudgeon, Olde Fartess Crony Semi-Coven #42
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Date: 2004-11-17 04:00 pm (UTC)Hey! I think my music teacher might be in that coven! You know an aging hippie named Margie who thinks blue and green and fuchsia and brown make a wonderful wardrobe pallet... on the same day??
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Date: 2004-11-12 07:56 pm (UTC)HAHAHA! One of my Pagan friends loves this quote, but she usually says that 5 is a low estimate. ;)
Thanks for posting more of this. I always find it so interesting.
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Date: 2004-11-12 08:37 pm (UTC)Blessings,
Jenny
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Date: 2004-11-12 10:05 pm (UTC)Heh, its funy to see the same sayings recycled for different groups. I learned that saying about a different group, to highlight how much they love to argue. They'll take more than one position on the subject, for the sheer joy of arguing it. :)
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Date: 2004-11-12 11:17 pm (UTC)I love us.
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Date: 2004-11-15 01:46 am (UTC)No, seriously. An argument about why good witches vote for Bush. By someone calling herself Phoenix Firefox. No religion is immune.
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Date: 2005-04-09 12:06 am (UTC)i've ordered some books from my library by the authors you recommended, but i wanted to know if there're any tips or words of wisdom you wanted to give for interested parties like me.
thanks, chris. <3
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Date: 2005-04-09 05:49 pm (UTC)Basically, the only thing I can say is to read a lot. Read the highly recommended stuff, read the crap. It's the only way to learn which is which. And don't think that you have to practice anything in a book to the letter. If something doesn't work for your, scrap it entirely or re-work it so that it fits you. Write your own prayers, your own workings. Keep an open mind and trust your intuition, essentially.
And if you ever wanna chat on the subject, I'm available via email or even if you wanted to do handwritten letters (I like them for topics like this).
Which books did you get? I don't remember any specific recommendations, but I'd be willing to bet they included:
Progressive Witchcraft - Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone
Embracing the Moon - Yasmine Galenorn
Witch Crafting - Phyllis Curott
...were these the ones you're looking into?
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Date: 2005-04-09 07:15 pm (UTC)i have embracing the moon, book of shadows, and the pagan book of living and dying on order from the library right now. i'll look into the ones you listed above.
thanks a lot for all of your advice on this and offering to be around to chat. that's really cool of you. :)
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Date: 2005-04-17 06:26 am (UTC)Also, I'm adding you back again. I think you got dropped off in the last cut when I was freaking out about work and not being able to keep up with my flist. I'd like to read along as you figure out what works for you.
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Date: 2005-04-17 02:34 pm (UTC)as for with crafting, i have it waiting for me at the library along with a few other books. i went to this site (http://wicca.timerift.net/) and took some of the book recommendations and requested them.
so far, i've made it through one book (embracing the moon) and i'm about to star the pagan book of living and dying.
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